I'm calling bullshit on the "government stole my bees" story
In the past few days, a story has been circulating about Terrence Ingram, an Illinois beekeeper that had his bees "illegally" taken by Department of Agriculture officials and destroyed. Furthermore, this destroyed his "decades of research" in breeding a "Roundup immune" strain of bees. I'm sorry, but everything I've read about this story just isn't credible.
First of all, there are no sources. Or as Wikipedia would put it, no reliable sources. I've seen a couple of people post links to this article at GlobalResearch, also a 9/11 troofer site. There is exactly one hit on this in Google News, which turns out to be a blog post at SouthMilwaukeeNOW.com, which cites as its original source this article at Packalert Press, which also thinks the recent OK tornado was artificially created by Obama to distract from the IRS scandal. The site that seems to have written the most about it is Prairie Advocate, which could have published a press release written by Ingram and it probably wouldn't have looked any different.
This whole story stinks. This guy claims to have been performing "research" on the effect of Roundup on bees for decades. There's nothing in Google Scholar by this guy; not a single paper. After having done over 10 years of research, no one suddenly comes out with groundbreaking results having published nothing in the meantime. Ingram claims he was about to reveal proof(!) that Roundup, everyone's favorite bugaboo, causes colony collapse disorder. Well, I'm sorry, but it's not like that hasn't occurred to anyone before. The exact cause of colony collapse disorder is unknown, but it's likely a combination of a number of factors, including parasites, viruses, and environmental toxins like pesticides.
What's a lot more likely is that this guy's hives were infected with American foulbrood, a highly contagious and incurable disease that can spread from hive to hive. In fact, that's exactly what the Department of Agriculture found when they inspected his hives and sent samples to a lab. They notified him multiple times of the fact that foulbrood had been detected in his hives and he was ordered to burn them. He continued to refuse and months later, the DoA came in, seized the hives, and (presumably) destroyed them, as they are legally allowed to do.
Ingram is outraged (outraged, I say!) that the DoA even inspected his hives. The Prairie Advocate story quotes Ingram as saying, "The State Department of Agriculture came in and inspected our hives 4 times, 3 times when we were not home, and without due process. I have never received or found a Search Warrant." Furthermore, several of the articles and blog posts on this around the Web claim that these bees were seized "illegally."
Did you know that Illinois has a Bees and Apiaries Act? Neither did I, but yes, Illinois has an entire section of the law on the keeping of bees. 510 ILCS 20/2-4 says, "The Department shall have the power to inspect ... any bees, colonies, items of bee equipment or apiary. For the purpose of inspection, the Director is authorized during reasonable business hours to enter into or upon any property used for the purpose of beekeeping." So the DoA did not need to serve Ingram with a warrant to inspect his bee hives.
Furthermore, they were entirely within their rights to seize and destroy the infected hives. After Ingram had refused multiple times to deal with the infected hives, the DoA has the authority to do it for him (and send him a bill, at that). From 510 ILCS 20/2c, "In carrying out the provisions of this Section or any quarantine, the Director may, at the expense of the owner, when an infestation, infection or nuisance is located, seize or abate bees, colonies, or items of used bee equipment."
So there simply is no story here. There was no violation of the law. There was no illegal seizure of bees or bee hives. But the fact that this guy claims to have been doing "research" into Roundup means this story is going to be flogged by Monsanto-hating activists from one end of the Internet to the other.
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Whether this story is real or not is besides the point. The statements you make are far from being accurate.
[[Did you know that Illinois has a Bees and Apiaries Act? Neither did I, but yes, Illinois has an entire section of the law on the keeping of bees. 510 ILCS 20/2-4 says, "The Department shall have the power to inspect ... any bees, colonies, items of bee equipment or apiary. For the purpose of inspection, the Director is authorized during reasonable business hours to enter into or upon any property used for the purpose of beekeeping." So the DoA did not need to serve Ingram with a warrant to inspect his bee hives.]] Government agencies have NO right to enter an individuals property without probable cause of a crime or a warrant, just because they write unconstitutional laws giving themselves those rights. The fourth amendment says, 'The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probably cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized.'
So your next statement: [[Furthermore, they were entirely within their rights to seize and destroy the infected hives. After Ingram had refused multiple times to deal with the infected hives, the DoA has the authority to do it for him (and send him a bill, at that). From 510 ILCS 20/2c, "In carrying out the provisions of this Section or any quarantine, the Director may, at the expense of the owner, when an infestation, infection or nuisance is located, seize or abate bees, colonies, or items of used bee equipment."]] is also bullsh*t. If this happened, an individual has every right to take action against the agency and officials who violated his rights.
I know this because I also maintain numerous hives and at one time my county/state agency TRIED to ignore my rights and invade my privacy and property. It didn't go well for them, one lost his job and two were reprimanded, and a "law/regulation" that had been on the books for years is no longer in force.
It's idiots like you that think that the country, city, state, or fed has the right to make these laws and does nothing to help prevent it. 99% of laws and regulations in this country are unconstitutional, but that is what socialism is all about - ignoring and eventually getting rid of the Constitution.
I am not trying to defend Terry, but I did find this article published before his bees were taken.
Thank you for posting the relevant parts of the Illinois be code. I have gotten so sick of seeing this story reposted again and again with none of the posters willing to do anything but rewrite a clearly biased article. You have at least done some leg work and have given yourself some basis for you opinion.
I, too, questioned the veracity of this story. However, I don't trust that the Illinois officials weren't being dishonest in their accusation of foul
Narciblog. All you have to do is call Mr. Ingram. I did so and he told me the whole truth and nothing but the truth. He is a real person who has put years of work into his honeybees and is a remarkable man. Most beekeepers are made of tough material and this is what Mr. Ingram is. He is the REAL DEAL, unlike Monsanto and its covert operations, keeping folks in the dark about its products and then unleashing upon the public. I would not be so fast to call bullshit. Monsanto sends lawyers out to farmers whose crops become contaminated with gmo pollen drift and then sue THEM for using their product!
Call the man yourself, you will be more than satisfied that this is truly a case of monsanto trying to hide the results of a study conducted by Mr. Ingram.
Actually, what I find more interesting is that two of his colonies, did not, in fact have foulbrood. Pause for a second there. They were in close proximity to the disease but did not have it.
I find that FAR more interesting and thing some of the larvae should be taken and tested for Foulbrood resistance.
As for the infected ones, yes, by all means... but the uninfected ones... at least check.
I too was curious about this article and did a little checking. Mr. Ingram does have papers on google scholar. You may have missed them because he writes under TN Ingram and occasionally as Terrence N. Ingram. When I publish I also use my intials. Sadly it can cause confusion when people are searching for your work. He does have a book out on eagles and seems to have done some ground breaking work on eagle deaths in relation to DTT so that lends some credibility to the bee research. The granola media will have blown things our of proportion but there does seem to be something not correct with how things were handled. I don't think it can just be written off but I do think we need to think somewhere in the middle.
So we have to be approved by you first? Question. What is your hatred for 9/11 truthers? Are you mad their understanding of the laws of physics is better than yours?
First thing that caught my eye about the original story is that it is a class of pesticides known as neonictinoids is the one that has been implicated in hive collapse, not glyphosate-containing Round-Up. Round-Up is made by the highly-demonized Monsanto, whereas neonicinoids are not—perhaps he has fallen for the misinformation published in the granola media (Great name! Sorry I will not be able to cite my source for this word to anyone more specific than "anonymous".) that Monsanto is the root of all evil.
First thing that caught my eye about the original story is that it is a class of pesticides known as neonictinoids is the one that has been implicated in hive collapse, not glyphosate-containing Round-Up. Round-Up is made by the highly-demonized Monsanto, whereas neonicinoids are not—perhaps he has fallen for the misinformation published in the granola media (Great name! Sorry I will not be able to cite my source for this word to anyone more specific than "anonymous".) that Monsanto is the root of all evil.
I am calling bullshit on this blog. Always someone with their eyes closed. Dig deeper.
Roundup (glyphosate) is an herbicide that targets dicot plants. It's useful in corn crops because corn is a monocot therefore relatively immune.
I used to test waters and soils for glyphosate using HPLC. It's a very simple molecule that breaks down rapidly in the environment and it is hard to detect as a result. It is not designed to be toxic to animals, including insects.
Colony Collapse Disorder is something that most evidence today points to nicotinamide pesticides as the cause, the kind that are manufactured by Bayer.
dude i was able to find him on google scholar in like 2 minutes you mustn't have looked hard, maybe you should pull your head out your own arse then you would see. i am assuming this is the same "TN ingram" - https://www.ideals.illinois.edu/handle/2142/10662
Anonymous...9/11 truthers? Having a better understanding of physics? That's laughable. They are, for the most part, a bunch of paranoid delusional physics wannabees.
I've been at the Twin Towers site, immediately after the attacks. I've looked at the various research done on the collapses. Both the NIST reviews, and the "truthers" reviews. The "truthers" stuff does NOT hold up. Sorry, but people are well within their rights to hold these "truthers" in contempt.
I do wonder where a court order is to allow them to remove the hives. There must be some kind of a paper trail to show that the bees were infected and that let to the removal. so, I would like to see a paper trail to prove the state had the right to remove the hives.
As for comments being removed by the administrator, that is his decision because it is HIS blog.
This blog is BS disinformation and propaganda. It's plain to see for anybody with common sense, and I have no idea who Terrence Ingram is.
So how much does Monsanto pay you for your blog?
All these laws are in fact related to a Person. If they entered the property and stole his property then the seizure was unlawful. He is a man, know the difference between Legal and Lawful.
He should sue the low life mongrels
Thank god someone said what I was thinking. Apparently sheeple like being ruled by the government. They like the idea of the red coat days. Sheeple are why the US is so blind at what is going on around them that the thought 'as long as it doesn't affect my bubble' mentality needs to be broken and interrupted. Ignorance is bliss in some matters but letting the gov write laws as they see fit and turning the blind eye that is no longer ignorance it's so retarded that these sheeple shouldn't breed. As for those who actually believe diesel fuel melted the steel structure on 911 is incomprehensible. Buildings falling around the towers for no reason is questionable - yet no legit answers. The Pentagon and the crash in PA having no evidence of a plane is blasphemy! Yet again sheeple believe big brother tv and big brother media because it's too much to fathom or sheeple are to lazy to raise the bs flag!
i WAS A COMMERCIAL BEE KEEPER for 40 years, before the 1960s american foulbrood was considerd incurable. With the discobvery of
sulfa drugs and Terramyacin it can be easily controlled.
ROFLMAO... first, a lot of good comments here, some obviously doing research and intelligent remarks. However I also see a lot of closed minds that have already made a decision based on zero evidence. And third, I nearly missed that the guy posting as Anonymous is not one person LOL... Um duh. Even the simplest things can be missed by all of us. Bees are such a critical part of the ecological habitat known as Earth that to lose them will create a serious detriment to life as we know it.
Wow!
Thanks for your blogpost! This is the best I could find regarding some factual timeline info. http://capitalbeekeepers.org/?p=693
How strange when a man has a queen which has survived several years around Round Up spraying and then she is stolen and the rest of the hives all burned? So you honestly think the labs, who no doubt are subsidized by MONSTER-Santo are going to agree with the bee keeper? I doubt that also...this man has been taking care of bees for decades and he would be on most observant of what his hives have been doing...
Stop the patter about him...he isn't being paid or subsidized by any large company for his bees nor is he getting patents for food to control the populous!
It's your blog so you can spew any type of opinion you want, but when it blasts a University professor for his research being destroyed, I'd suggest you do a better job of researching. Did you call Terry? Did you get on his mailing list to receive his publications? I'm guessing with your lack of facts that the answer is no. I traveled from Indiana to NW Illinois to acquire a starter colony from Terry back in the early 90's and I can assure you he is the real deal. He has been researching and developing naturally resistant colonies likely before you knew there were bees. One of his original research studies was to raise a mite resistant strain and he was succuseeful, which was why I traveled the distance to acquire a starter colony (nuke) from him. You mentioned that you didn't find his articles in the "accepted" publications and I'm wondering if you know or understand why that would be? If your theory/research does not line up with the "accepted" publications they will not give you space. The advertisers in those publications buy space and are the very people that would lose money from his research findings. If keepers knew they could raise natural mite resistant colonies why would they buy the apistan strips and terramycin, etc, etc. A popular radio personality has a saying about things like this that people can't believe. He'd say, "Just follow the money". This is not only true in politics, but in most everything. Terry has nothing to gain by telling tales as you seem to think happened. These government agencies are led by, in many instances, former employees of the very companies that have the most to gain by their regulations. Look where the top FDA and other agencies people come from...http://www.globalresearch.ca/monsanto-controls-both-the-white-house-and-the-us-congress/5336422 If Professor Ingram says they stole his hives and destroyed them, then that's exactly what happened. Too bad that when someone wants to google search Mr. Ingram's outstanding accomplishments they have to stumble upon your unfounded musings!! Slander! For no apparent reason other than to make yourself look like you know something that you couldn't even waste a phone call to investigate. Doubtful this will even appear on your blog
I was questioned about this story when I quoted it. I emailed Terrence and he verified the story. That was good enough for me.
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